An Interesting Conversation

This is a IM talk I had with a good friend I feel is worth sharing.  The other participant expressed he did not desire anonymity, these are both our real names.

John Patrick Wentz
I had an EXTREMELY intellectually eventful night, tell you about it this afternoon/evening/night
July 16

9:47am


Dennis Bereznyak 

Okay man, I wanna know!! I'm working during the day but tonight, absolutely


July 16

8:16pm


John Patrick Wentz



Message me when ready



9:09pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Ready



9:30pm


John Patrick Wentz



Lol



So ill have to go chronologically th rough the night



9:31pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Okay



9:31pm


John Patrick Wentz



I woke up at 4 pm



went to wawa for food



spent some time listening to music outside



9:34pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Nice!



9:34pm


John Patrick Wentz



?



anyway



I went inside wasted time on the newsfeeed



blah blah blah



key point is, got angsty



I put together all these negative predictions for the future with the emptyness of my present



and then i started feeling REALLY lost



"what am i doing with my short time on earth" "what can i do?"



and by midnight, i basically had to walk



that's what the lost do, walk



for 2 hours



nowhere in pretecular



no sidewalk most of the time



i started to think about how only public roads alow us to leave anywere



and if there's no sidewalk, you have to buy something just to move



somehow that qualifies as "freedom"



walking on the road was something illegal, as was walking on property, but no one was up or cared



9:42pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Was it a very busy road?



9:42pm


John Patrick Wentz



hella no



9:43pm


Dennis Bereznyak



So why is it illegal to walk on it?



Well like on the side if ur not Bothering any cars



9:43pm


John Patrick Wentz



technicality in that case



it's alot worse if you are actauly tring to go someone



I tried to walk from plumsted to doylestown once, depressing as shit



so, i'm walking back, and i try to draw it back to a general principal



naturally, geolibertarianism



land is not property



the world does not belong to humanity



9:45pm


Dennis Bereznyak



I agree



That's like the native Americans to the Europeans. They didn't get how it was possible to buy or sell land



9:46pm


John Patrick Wentz



and so thinking about it i looked it up (I tend to "ambient research", I.E. have some sort of knowledge material out while thinking about a topic, even if i already know the info it's teaching)



9:47pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Me too



It stirs your mind up



9:47pm


John Patrick Wentz



and on the Wikipedia page, i came to list of people who were influenced by it



9:47pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Mhm



9:48pm


John Patrick Wentz



and it sorta just got me on an enternal rant



as if i was giving a speech on it



(i do that a lot)



and i tied it back to the overarching theme of sovereignty:



releasing your grip on others to gain it for yourself



and how our control of the land also enslaves us



slavery does not make the master more free



and i listened to music that scared me at first, but it's what i needed



i thought about how music narrates



9:51pm


Dennis Bereznyak



I like what u said "releasing your grip on others to gain it for yourself ".



I always preach that but on a smaller scale



Like on a personal scale



When people always try to control every little thing



9:52pm


John Patrick Wentz



every scale



as above, so bellow



the microcosm should match the macrocosm



9:52pm


Dennis Bereznyak



I know I just tend to do it like that way in particular bc I think in terms of social interaction mostly. But yeah that makes a lot of sense.



I agree with u



It's a good way to put it



But elaborate on how u apply this to like the world as a whole, macrocosmocally



Also what music did u listen to



9:54pm


John Patrick Wentz



marcocosmicly, it simply equates to maxium rights



all the earth makes is shared



all you make is yours



9:55pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Sort of communism...?



9:55pm


John Patrick Wentz



no



geoism



communism for land



pure capitalism for labor/property



*not property, capital



you have right to all that you have before society inteferes



and to anything others consent to



and to anything that does not infringe on above 2 rights



the realization of this for society is the macrocosim



so anyway



it's 3;45 or so



they say the night is darkest just before the dawn



i don't know if that's true



but it feels that way



at that hour, you are more alone than any other time



you're staring the empty heavens straight in their eyes



you notice how much empty space their is



but in the music, when they spoke of "I" i knew it wasn't simply the singer



we all know that, instictualy



10:00pm


Dennis Bereznyak



Mhm



It speaks for a greater conscience



10:00pm


John Patrick Wentz



i is all listeners, connected for a time into one spirt



exactly



and i knew i was not alone in belifs on how our moderen age has fallen, and how to fix it



but now i felt insignificant



the intelligence the singularity will bring may leave us relatively as smart as a plant (literally!), compared to what's to come



and it also went back to the sense of powerlessness that made me feel so bad in the first place



so i turned to pan and realized that, realitve to what's to come, i might be a detail, but datials will always be more appreciated by an observer of the detail then the detail can appricate it self



here's where i honestly have no choce but to use a word i think unclear



god



god (everything) apricates everything for as much as it can possibly be apchiated



god will not only see the value of higher levels of being, but the very lowlest



10:07pm


Dennis Bereznyak



that is very profound



again i agree



10:07pm


John Patrick Wentz



and cirtainly the human level, for all the reasons humans could ever



and because i am to an extent united with others (and by extension an aspect of god) i do have power



the power of the archtype



now i see we are not measured by archetypes but a part of those archtypes



the sun was beginning to rise



i also thought about time



if we realy were dust in the wind



but i remembered time is a cycle, al possibilities will be lived out and then infinatly relived, since the omiverse will eventualy have no choice but to realive it



and also though about how time is a dimension



10:12pm


Dennis Bereznyak



woahh



10:12pm


John Patrick Wentz



TIME ISN'T REALLY MOVING AT ALL



10:12pm


Dennis Bereznyak



i love this



woahh



okay yeah i never really think about this



but im very impressed



wow



10:12pm


John Patrick Wentz



WERE MOVING THROUGH IT



and when we die, we simply stop



all moments are eternal cordinates in space time



infinatly relived



and aprichated to their fullest by god



we really do matter



and as a part of something more, we have great power indeed



i mispoke, the sun was not rising



i was making it rise



i the archetype of a spirit enduring through the hardship of the night and moving heaven and earth to bring back the dawn



to a soundtrack that never spoke to me more



and then



10:16pm


Dennis Bereznyak



woah okay im a little confused



10:16pm


John Patrick Wentz



ok



how so?



10:17pm


Dennis Bereznyak



what do u mean all moments are eternal coordinates, infinitely relived



10:18pm


John Patrick Wentz



it's just like space



a place has coordinates in space



a moment has cordinates in time



space does not simply disapear



and in a world of infinity, the places and times will always be revisted



10:21pm


Dennis Bereznyak



in what way will they be revisited



the same exact moments?



10:21pm


John Patrick Wentz



yes



10:22pm


Dennis Bereznyak



so me sitting here right now fucking around with my gps, this will happen again, in the most literal sense?



10:22pm


John Patrick Wentz



yes



this concept is not new



10:22pm


Dennis Bereznyak



i never really heard of it



well i may have in passing but i never really thought about it



10:22pm


John Patrick Wentz



it was described by neizche as "the eternal return"



infinite time + limited possiblites= infinate repeats of all possiblities



hell



infinte time= infinate repeats of all possiblities



and if time is a dimenshion, it doesn't realy make sense that it just slips away



that doesn't add up



so then



i bathed in the dawn



i started making breakfast



my brother got up



we talked



we ate



it was nice



and i fell asleep around 9 am, with a preciously rare simple of simple joy on my face



as bellow so above



this will mirror my life



i will live mostly in night



but bring about a new dawn and enjoy it for a time before i rest in peace



that was my story

Overdue Return

The wonderful thing about having virtually no audience in a project is that you can come back to that project anytime.  And so, a year later you can just pick up hear, with only a brief explanation of why there's such a big gap in the dates:

Procrastination.

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